If there were a general election and a change of Government tomorrow, there would still be a Crisis in the Nhs.

My hon. Friend the Member for Portsmouth, North (Mr. Griffiths) and my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Thanet, West (Mr. Rees-Davies) referred tothe Crisis in the Nhs.

At the moment in the Black Country, in Wolverhampton, Birmingham and throughout the west midlands, as the Minister knows, there is a mounting Crisis in the Nhs.

I have no doubt that that will be presented to us as not being an example of Crisis in the Nhs.

We thought that the White Paper would deal with the Crisis in the Nhs.

We, too, regret the growing Crisis in the Nhs.

The Opposition, and indeed the country, are getting quite used to the bland assurances of Conservative Members that there is no Crisis in the Nhs.

I do not see a Crisis in the Nhs.

To cool the temper of the debate, I shall try to establish whether there is a genuine Crisis in the Nhs.

The Government must stop pretending to the general public that everything is all right within the NHS and that their proposals due to be implemented over the next few years will solve the state of low morale and resolve all the problems that are causing this Crisis in the Nhs.

That shows the scale of the Crisis in the Nhs.

The way in which we have structured decisions in health has brought about the Crisis in the Nhs.

However, the House has been presented instead with a detailed and complicated measure - as ever from the Chancellor - that discourages business investment, does little to boost productivity, penalises families that seek to plan for their future and that of their children and betrays pensioners while failing to do anything practical to avert the mounting financial Crisis in the Nhs.

It is a shame that we are discussing this subject in the context of such a dire financial Crisis in the Nhs.

A lady writes to me: "My daughter is one of hundreds of newly qualified physiotherapists unable to get a job because of the Crisis in the Nhs.

It should be about integrated services that serve the whole person, and those services should have that person at their centre, and not the financial Crisis in the Nhs.

I shall start with my preferred one, which is that this reform of the National Heath Service does not come from a point of view of overall Crisis in the Nhs.

There is of course-and I hope I do not offend either the noble Earl or others on the other side of the House by saying this; they know this perfectly well-a real concern out there in the public that the reason why the Bill has been drafted this way and why the Secretary of State's powers have appeared to have been, or some people feel they are being, emasculated, and the reason why autonomy is being emphasised, is that the Government think there is going to be a Crisis in the Nhs.

Unless you do something quickly about adult social care, you will cause the most terrible financial Crisis in the Nhs.

The Government want to blame everyone but themselves for the Crisis in the Nhs.

Ministers cannot resolve the Crisis in Our Nhs.

I am disappointed that there are no measures in the Queen's Speech to tackle the growing Crisis in the Nhs.

He is in denial about the Crisis in the Nhs.

The Chancellor did not say anything about the Crisis in the Nhs.

The hon. Members for Denton and Reddish and for Blaydon are eloquent and persuasive men, but even they cannot suggest that a £3 fee on health care professionals earning £31,000 represents a Crisis in the Nhs.

The Budget said nothing about, and had no answers for, solving the growing Crisis of the Nhs.

The fact is that the Government have no answers to solve the Crisis in the Nhs.

The Government's failure to negotiate has fuelled this Crisis in Our Nhs.